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Lunatic
Genin
Number of posts: 39
Registration date: 2007-12-02
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Gibjab
Deity
Number of posts: 1156
Age: 17
Location: Under your Bed
Registration date: 2007-11-10
|  Subject: Re: Tech: Computers Tue Nov 04, 2008 8:04 am | |
| yer thats cool and you can always upgrade the CPU and Videocard later on when u get monies im gonna as my dad bout this get him to pay for it  |
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xGavin
Deity
Number of posts: 1117
Age: 19
Registration date: 2007-05-02
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xGavin
Deity
Number of posts: 1117
Age: 19
Registration date: 2007-05-02
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Lunatic
Genin
Number of posts: 39
Registration date: 2007-12-02
| | Subject: Re: Tech: Computers Tue Nov 04, 2008 12:51 pm | |
| | xGavin wrote: |
Friggin' sweet.
What about getting this CPU instead though.
Only 70 or so bucks extra, and would be 2x better.
At least, I believe this is what Necro was sayin'. |
Well, it doesnt really run at "2 x 2.4 = 10~ Ghz".
All games that are out now, only use 2 cores (with exception to Supreme Commander and likely the upcoming GTA4) so having a quadcore would be useless here.
Lets say we have a dualcore running at 3Ghz, that would make the game run at "6Ghz"
Now lets say we also have a quadcore, but this one is running at 2.4Ghz. That would make the game run on "4.8Ghz" because the game only supports 2 cores.
As you can see, the dualcore has a way bigger advantage then the quadcore here.
But if a game would support 4 cores, it would be a whole different story. Then it would be "6Ghz" vs "9.6Ghz", where the quadcore would be in a MAJOR advantage.
This is just my theory, it works different in practice. 
Nevertheless, the Q6600 is a great CPU. I got it to, running at 3.2Ghz (Cant go much higher because i have a shitty chip, need 1.43 volt for this  )
Might be a better choice if u'r not looking forward to upgrading again in the next 3~ years.
p.s
I also got the same HDD as in that list, the dvd burner, the 1066Mhz version of the memory, and the bigger brother of that card.. the HD4870. Quality stuff! |
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xGavin
Deity
Number of posts: 1117
Age: 19
Registration date: 2007-05-02
| | Subject: Re: Tech: Computers Tue Nov 04, 2008 2:21 pm | |
| I see, well I don't think I'm branching out farther than L2 and Darkfall lol, but I just want a machine that can multi-task without locking up during whatever I'm doing. If the the quad core doesn't help with this, than I will definitely aim for the dual core. I just don't wanna get the dual, than realize I needed the quad, or the quad would be way more efficient. I mean, I don't know much about this sorta thing, hence the topic. I'll take your advice over my own logic haha. Now you have a shitty chip? What's a decent chip, and what's an OP chip? I mean, I'm aimin' for a good computer, I just want to verify that I'm not spending like 2 grand on it though. tryin' to stay in between 500-800. But I don't want to overspend on useless gadgets as well. So far it seems like the only things that would make a big difference is the CPU and RAM right? And the motherboard is what supports everything, so I'd want something OP in that department as well right? Of course the other components are essential but what's really going to make the difference? Forgive my lack of understanding. _________________  |
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Lunatic
Genin
Number of posts: 39
Registration date: 2007-12-02
| | Subject: Re: Tech: Computers Tue Nov 04, 2008 3:38 pm | |
| | xGavin wrote: | I see, well I don't think I'm branching out farther than L2 and Darkfall lol, but I just want a machine that can multi-task without locking up during whatever I'm doing.
If the the quad core doesn't help with this, than I will definitely aim for the dual core. I just don't wanna get the dual, than realize I needed the quad, or the quad would be way more efficient. I mean, I don't know much about this sorta thing, hence the topic. I'll take your advice over my own logic haha.
Now you have a shitty chip? What's a decent chip, and what's an OP chip? I mean, I'm aimin' for a good computer, I just want to verify that I'm not spending like 2 grand on it though. tryin' to stay in between 500-800.
But I don't want to overspend on useless gadgets as well.
So far it seems like the only things that would make a big difference is the CPU and RAM right? And the motherboard is what supports everything, so I'd want something OP in that department as well right? Of course the other components are essential but what's really going to make the difference? Forgive my lack of understanding. |
Well, i have a shitty chip because it has the highest VID (standard voltage, for the Q6600 this varies from 1.1125 - 1.3250) for the Q6600 available. This means that it requires a lot of extra voltage for just a light overclock. Other people with a low VID for example could run their chip at 3.2Ghz without even touching the voltages.
It's plain luck what VID you get seeing as this is different for every chip (thought it had something to do with where on the wafer it was baked, further from the center = higher vid). It is very unlikely that you get lucky with a low vid seeing as almost all newer Q6600's have VIDs varying from 1.3000 to 1.3250.
For now, quadcores are awesome if you do heavy 3D stuff like AutoCAD e.d and multitask alot.
It's really up to you, if you stick with those games you'll be fine with a dualcore (This is if you are going to overclock. The E7200 is an awesome overclocker, if you are not going to overclock it's better to pick a E8400 (or E8500 seeing as the price difference is minimal between them these days)).
But on the other hand, Nehalem is coming out this month.. some serie's of this processor have 8 cores. So it is possible that multi core's will be supported by more and more programs very quickly.
The main parts responsible for performance are the CPU, RAM, and Motherboard (and the Videocard for gaming purposes).
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If you want to know more about this stuff, i really suggest this forum: http://www.overclock.net/ It has a shitload of information about hardware e.d!
Until about 4 months ago i was pretty much "new" to hardware again, it had all faded away. Not that the information i knew would have helped now seeing as its been about 5 years ago (this is like century's in hardware country) and i had an AMD instead of Intel system.
But anyway, you can see how much that forum has helped me! 
Off to sleep now. |
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xGavin
Deity
Number of posts: 1117
Age: 19
Registration date: 2007-05-02
| | Subject: Re: Tech: Computers Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:45 pm | |
| Thanks man, will definitely read up on it. Take care.  _________________ |
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NeCroStriKeR
Hokage
Number of posts: 561
Age: 20
Location: Greece
Registration date: 2007-03-21
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Lunatic
Genin
Number of posts: 39
Registration date: 2007-12-02
| | Subject: Re: Tech: Computers Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:45 am | |
| Actually, Corsair makes great PSU's. They have very strong 12V rails and have an efficiency of 80%+. That 650TX has 56A on the 12V, thats only 1A less then my $100 M620 which has 57A combined on 3 12V rails. (And 1 Rail is better then multiple, too) Also noticed that the 650TX has a $30 instead of $20 MIR on newegg, makes it $69.99You really dont need 650W for that system but the 650TX was cheaper then the 550VX so.. If you want you can also grab a Cooler Master Real Power Pro M520 |
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xGavin
Deity
Number of posts: 1117
Age: 19
Registration date: 2007-05-02
| | Subject: Re: Tech: Computers Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:32 am | |
| Haha, definitely wanna aim for a bad ass cooler cause after dealing with all this overheating bullshit on my laptop, I ain't gonna make the same mistake. _________________ |
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Lunatic
Genin
Number of posts: 39
Registration date: 2007-12-02
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xGavin
Deity
Number of posts: 1117
Age: 19
Registration date: 2007-05-02
| | Subject: Re: Tech: Computers Wed Nov 05, 2008 5:50 pm | |
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xGavin
Deity
Number of posts: 1117
Age: 19
Registration date: 2007-05-02
| | Subject: Re: Tech: Computers Sat Nov 29, 2008 5:43 am | |
| Re-touching this because I think I'm gonna start purchasing parts. How hard do you think it would be to assemble by myself, with no knowledge? Or is there somewhere local I could go to and they could put it together. (ie, bestbuy/etc) So far, I'm taking the advice on mostly what Luna has suggested. However the motherboard he mentioned is discontinued. And instead of a dual core, I insist on going quad. Also, Necro, any suggestions on a PSU? Just want to see my opinionated options. _________________ |
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Draven
Super Saiyan 4
Number of posts: 950
Age: 20
Location: North Carolina, United States of America
Registration date: 2007-03-20
| | Subject: Re: Tech: Computers Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:05 am | |
| lol @ overheating. Aw the good ol' days xD |
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It was only 15 days over its 1 year warranty, and even after that you should have a minimum of 3 years warranty on the hardware.
